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08 February 2006 @ 05:09 pm
Poll - Linking Netiquette  
Poll #669414 Linking Netiquette

Etiquette requires that I ask permission when I link to a person's journal entry.

True
2(7.7%)
False
15(57.7%)
It's complicated - let me explain below
9(34.6%)
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Hillarysusanofstohelit on February 8th, 2006 11:14 pm (UTC)
I would ask if it were a less than completely public entry, or if it were someone who didn't read my journal constantly.
Hoc Est Qui Sumusdiscoflamingo on February 8th, 2006 11:15 pm (UTC)
Not copy, just link to. Friends filters prevent me from reading non-public entries almost every day.
Hillarysusanofstohelit on February 8th, 2006 11:16 pm (UTC)
I know what you meant. Even so, I'd ask.
Hoc Est Qui Sumusdiscoflamingo on February 8th, 2006 11:16 pm (UTC)
Why do you care who links to your journal?
Hillarysusanofstohelit on February 8th, 2006 11:18 pm (UTC)
partially because I don't like being rude, and not adding people who might add me can be read that way. I'm somewhat paranoid about potential ramifications of stuff I write being on the internet. one of my first job interviews out of college, my interviewer wanted to talk about a letter to the editor I'd had in the Mac Weekly he found by googling my name.
Hoc Est Qui Sumusdiscoflamingo on February 8th, 2006 11:30 pm (UTC)
Let's pretend that this is a public post that anybody can read already. Does your answer change?
Hillarysusanofstohelit on February 9th, 2006 12:58 am (UTC)
your journal, your space, your choice. I'm not going to post a comment with information that I wouldn't want public (like why I was out sick from work, or stuff like that).
The Alphabet Witch: Octoberwilowisp on February 8th, 2006 11:18 pm (UTC)
It's really the nature of the post, and your relationship to the poster. Info about movie details vs. a public confession of substance abuse, a casual friend vs. someone for whom you can finish their sentences. But if you take the time to wonder about it, chances are you're sensitive enough to know whether you should ask or not.
Hoc Est Qui Sumusdiscoflamingo on February 8th, 2006 11:34 pm (UTC)
Let's assume that the post, whatever it is, is already in a position where anybody could read it (so this does not apply to friends-locked entries of any kind - if that's the case, the author has already decided whether or not a person should be able to read it). If the author desires to be anonymous, you are not overtly identifying the person by linking to it. Should you still ask permission?
The Alphabet Witchwilowisp on February 9th, 2006 05:57 am (UTC)
Simply put: I would, if I deemed the subject matter personal enough.
iophaiopha on February 8th, 2006 11:31 pm (UTC)
I'm of the opinion that if a post is public, that means, well, public. Security through obscurity is not security at all.

I'd be surprised if any blogger was offended by something linking and saying 'Hey, this post is funny/awesome/insightful and you should read it'.

On the other hand, if you want to say 'This post is stupid and the person is a douchebag' chances are you don't care about their opinion on netiquette anyway.
Epic Dudemorecake on February 8th, 2006 11:35 pm (UTC)
I might well link to a friend's journal, but that's because most of my LJ friends are also my face to face friends and I know that if there was a problem I'd soon find out.

A number of my friends link to friends locked entries, with the result that those who can't see it get the 'error!' message. This seems to double the snub - you can't see this, *and* I'm drawing your attention to this fact!

I'd be happy to link to something funny or topical someone said, or a promotional post, but I wouldn't to anything private or personal.


PS I love your dinosaur icon!
Do You Wanna Be Free or You Wanna Be Right?malcubed on February 8th, 2006 11:35 pm (UTC)
If you don't want your thoughts to be read by others, don't place them in public for the world to see.
Stable Strangeletcuthalion on February 8th, 2006 11:41 pm (UTC)
If it's anything personal I'd probably ask first. If it's like this I would just go ahead without even telling them.
la femme stygian: snowgunn on February 8th, 2006 11:47 pm (UTC)
I ask about half the time, usually if it seems something personal I'll ask. A lot of the time I'll reference where I got the information in situations where I'm not linking directly to an entry, because I like pointing out how cool people and information sources are.
atelierlune on February 8th, 2006 11:58 pm (UTC)
If a person has rules, I try to follow them. If the person is not someone I know well (that's how I got friended to Bana-sensei), I will ask first, or just mention what that person said briefly to give them credit for whatever idea I'm expounding on. (ex.: "[personal nickname for lj friend] was talking about x, s/he said x about it [quotes where applicable] and it got me thinking...") I seldom link to other people's journals because I want to avoid confrontation. I try to avoid any topic that seems to be of a sensitive nature for a while and either post about my personal feelings later or in my own protected post. Often if it's just a link/meme/etc. they were offering, I'll post without permission and then credit them as the source.
Rosamundrosa_mundi on February 9th, 2006 01:10 am (UTC)
Ask.
Abra SWcloudscudding on February 9th, 2006 01:14 am (UTC)
For others to see it, it has to be public. So it's public. Linking without permission is fine, but I think that notification that you've made said link maintains the correct etiquette. Actually quoting should require permission.
push loud penspush_loud_pens on February 9th, 2006 01:19 am (UTC)
no never, in fact the whole concept of asking for permission for linking, or the whole debate about whether for example, "deep linking" is acceptable seems to me to miss the point of what a hypertextual environment is about

Do You Wanna Be Free or You Wanna Be Right?malcubed on February 9th, 2006 04:01 am (UTC)
Exactly.
Nightwalkerhalfawake on February 9th, 2006 04:11 am (UTC)
I agree with what most people have been saying. If it's public, then it's a fair assumption that they don't care and you can go ahead and link without asking. If it's friends only/filtered, I'd definitely ask first.

Or a better idea would be to just not link to friends locked entries because that'd probably annoy the, in most cases, majority of your friends who try to follow the link only to get an error.
Virtual Travellervtraveller on February 9th, 2006 02:49 pm (UTC)
Surely it depends. Sometimes it's a thread from a root you don't know or a known copy in the first place.

For personal stuff that's worth commentary I'd have sought permission to reference. If it's news related I think the need diminishes and depends on how much I associate the find with the person.

I suppose I'm more likely to credit someone than ask permission. Fundementally I don't think I'd reference / link to someone whose content was personal enough to ask for permission in the first place. I'd simply comment at the source and allow them their privacy.

I'm not huge on plagism, although I did like your 'telnet' link enough to tell people about it I didn't think there was a direct association with yourself so I never referenced you. Hmmm - guess I should appologise for that.

As a rule I rarely link to anything, particularly on my public site. At least when it comes to news sourcing. The source company might be reference but never how I arrived at it. Instead I prefer to use my own commentary or take. I suppose it's ingrained from keeping sources of information anonymous to avoid reprocussions - I'll hint on things without revealing how much I know for similar reasons; to protect the source.

The internet is rife with copy-pasters. As a rule I'm not one of them. Linking as an indirector, permission or otherwise, seems shallow.

Pondering myself within my prose above I think my conclusion is that I don't often need to ask for permission to publish (or inherently link) as the people that tell me stuff know me well enough that I'd never cross the line. The friendship is worth more than the information.

Does that make sense?
stemware on February 9th, 2006 03:12 pm (UTC)
Depends on the friend.

Depends on the entry.