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20 October 2004 @ 12:54 am
Christ-like Christians  

I think emphasizing the compassion of Christ, in the face of those arrogant enough to deny the reality of their true calling as servants of the Word, is a most appropriate action of the United Methodist Church.
lio on October 20th, 2004 08:26 am (UTC)
Appropriate, yes. But somewhat incomplete.

They have every right to rebuke the administration, and I'm glad they did. However, the letter of complaint emphasizes the compassion of Christ, which is only half of the story. The Bible is riddled with stories of war, in which God clearly favored one side in the past. Even "futuristic" books like Revealation speaks of vast wars where Christ himself is leading the attacks. To say that God is merely a feel-good lovey-dovey entity in the sky that watches from afar is a gross misconception. The Bible makes it clear that justice and war are part of God's plan.

But when it comes to Iraq, this war is entirely the brainchild of Dubya, and has nothing to do with God in any fashion. I'm glad the UMC is holding him accountable. I wouldn't want to be affiliated with him either. He needs to be kicked out of that church immediately.
Hoc Est Qui Sumusdiscoflamingo on October 20th, 2004 10:09 am (UTC)
You are misreading my point. Compassion is not lovey-dovey, nor is it feel-good bullshit. If God has a plan for you, you might know it - chances are you don't. If God has a plan involving justice and war, and you believe that you have a very specific part to play in it, you are not prophetic - you are insane.
lio on October 20th, 2004 10:20 am (UTC)
Couldn't agree more. Didn't Hitler have a similar self-view?
Hoc Est Qui Sumusdiscoflamingo on October 20th, 2004 10:31 am (UTC)
Hitler wasn't nearly as consistent as Dubya in invoking the name of the same God before he did something stupid/terrible. The syphilis really didn't help.
Josiah Carlsonchouyu_31 on October 20th, 2004 01:10 pm (UTC)
I wonder if in 10 years people will make the claim that Syphilis made the shrub insane. I would laugh if they did.
atelierlune on October 20th, 2004 01:07 pm (UTC)
Signor #471
Thanks for posting this. It's a really great idea and it's totally in keeping with the New Testament rules about bringing grievances before the Body. I wish it had been around sooner.

As for your discussion w/ Frost, I have to agree with you. All evidence suggests that Bush used God's past stances on war to justify his violent actions rather than guide or temper them. I remember CK posted something a long while ago about how Bush sees himself as some sort of agent of the Second Coming. Whether he thinks he is or not, the fact that he used other people's lives as pawns in his pursuit, and the fact that he constantly lies and contradicts himself to the people he answers to, is what tips the scale. God doesn't give carte blanche power like that to anyone, except Jesus, and you see how He ended up using it.